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May 3, 2008 10:10 AM PDT

Cubans line up to buy their first legal PCs

Posted by Steven Musil
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UPDATED at 1:25 p.m. PDT to clarify RAM in the computer is measured in megabytes.

Perhaps the days of looking at Cuba as the island that technology forgot are beginning to wane.

Late last month, President Raul Castro's government lifted the ban on ordinary citizens from owning a cell phone and getting cell service, a right previously limited to executives working for foreign companies or high communist party officials. DVD players, motorbikes, and plug-in pressure cookers also went on sale for the first time.

Now, citizens of the communist-controlled country can for the first time be the proud legal owners of a desktop computer, according to an Associated Press report. More than a dozen prospective buyers were lined up Friday outside Havana's state-run Carlos III shopping center for a chance to buy the tower-style Qtech PC and CRT monitor for $780, according to the report.

However, like the 50-year-old cars that roam Cuba's streets, the PCs are near relics of yesteryear, boasting Intel Celeron processors with a 80GB hard drive and 512MB of RAM and running Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. (However, I know a few people who would call the Cubans lucky for not being subjected to Windows Vista.) The report notes that buyers in the U.S. can buy a computer with twice the memory, a 80GB SATA hard drive, and 22-inch LCD flat-screen monitor for less money.

But don't expect to start surfing Cubans' blogs about what it's like to collect a state monthly salary of about $20 anytime soon; most of these PCs will not be allowed connections to the Internet, according to the report. Only trusted officials and state journalists are allowed access to the Web.

However, like many things forbidden by the state, computers and even e-mail services have been available to Cubans on the black market, according to the report.

Steven Musil is the night news editor at CNET News. Before joining CNET News in 2000, Steven spent 10 years at various Bay Area newspapers. E-mail Steven.
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"80 gigabytes of memory" wow i wish i lived in cuba!
by vagarob May 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
"However, like the 50-year-old cars that roam Cuba's streets, the PCs are near relics of yesteryear, boasting Intel Celeron processors with 80 gigabytes of memory "

80 gigs of ram for only $780... zomg I think the Cubans are getting a much better deal - time to move!

/sarcasm i know reporters love when we point out their errors :D
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ummm
by The_Decider May 3, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
You do realize that a hard drive is memory, don't you?

If you read about a second more you would see how much RAM is included. :)
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American products used to last for decades....
by JCPayne May 5, 2008 8:35 PM PDT
Wait until all those Cubans find out that US goods now a-days are only good for a few years.... They'll say they never should have given up Communism because they have to keep buying everything over and over again...
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Embargo
by eBob1 May 3, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
Since it is illegal for Microsoft to sell products in Cuba, how are they able to get Windows on these computers. Is there some loophole being taken advantage of?
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Good point
by stevenmusil May 3, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
The clerks working in the store told the AP that the PCs were assembled in Cuba with parts imported from China. I can't see Microsoft or Intel being held responsible if they sold their products without knowing that they would end up in Cuba. And I don't see the Bush administration picking a fight with China over this; China has permanent Most Favored Nation trade status.
AFAIK
by The_Decider May 3, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
The embargo is US only. Buying machines with it installed elsewhere should not cause any legal problems for the Microsoft.
How very Colonial of you!
by Spamfighter666 May 3, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
"Perhaps the days of looking at Cuba as the island that technology forgot"

I'm not sure which I love more, American ignorance, or their arrogance.

Cuba has free trade with Canada, Mexico, Japan, France, Britain, Spain, Portugal, and South Korea.

Yes, much has been controlled, but this crap about it being the land that technology forgot is just that. I personally know two computer graphic designers in Havana.

Los Van Van have been recording digitally for years.

But, yes, let's trot out the ignorant clichés, and talk about an embargo that is anachronistic, and kept in place because some rich exploitative Cubans who were propped up by the Batista (American funded) dictatorship were stripped of their il-gotten gains, and fled offshore to a political lynchpin state.

WTV.
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Well said.......
by m.o.t.u. May 4, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
however I sadly doubt your fairly reasonable summary of U.S. colonial history in South America will get much attention.

It's a pretty tried & true formula - Big Country with Big Military intimidates Small Country, Small Country Peasants lose rights to their land, get the *****, revolt against Big Country backed Dictator, Big Country not good at handling rejection, declares them an Enemy, all the while
steadfastly refusing to acknowledge the truth of the whole situation ie: we acted like complete ********!

As for your assertions regarding American ignorance & arrogance, these are attributes common to most current or former Colonial Powers.

On the positive side, I think I stand to make a tidy profit on my 1.6 P4, 80gb, 512mb, XP machine in the Cuban computer market!

Kind Regards.......
Uh, yeah.
by Phillep_H May 6, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
Like the average Cuban could get a computer? You point to a few exceptions and claim that invalidates the whole statement?

The Cuban ruling class has as much free trade as they wants, but the prolotariate has none; witness the very recent permission for them to own cell phones.

How many of those murdered by Fidel and Raul Castro did not support Batista, but just realized how horrible conditions would be under a power hungry micro manager like Fidel? They had to chose between the jackels in the grass and the crocodiles in the river.
I bet cubans have some interesting alternative fules
by Astinsan May 3, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
Cubans are good at making due with what is there. I have heard of glues, fuels and possibly other things made from sugar cane.

If they are anything like the Russians were. There is probably some interesting stuff on that little island.

I also don't think there will be a rush to get a computer down there. 1000$ USD might as well be a million dollars.
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Almost
by Phillep_H May 6, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
Cubans could, if they were allowed. The prospect of starving to death concentrates the mind very well indeed.

However, creativity is born of hope. Castro did not allow anyone to benifit from their creativity, except in very narrow fields by a very tiny number of select individuals, so no one held hope for their inspirations.
It's 1983 In Cuber
by Stating May 3, 2008 6:30 PM PDT
Wow, Cuber enters the 20th Century. Next thing you know they will be able to buy Visi Calc. News at 6!
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Technology didn't forget Cuba, it was the other way around
by RamonFHerrera May 3, 2008 9:53 PM PDT
> "Perhaps the days of looking at Cuba as the island that technology forgot"

Cuba gave up technology -among many precious things, like freedom, democracy and dignity- when they embraced an unsustainable system.

The only reason the Cuban system still exists is because it is based on charity. First from the URSS, then China, and currently from Venezuela.

I can only think of one country more technologically behind that Cuba. It is not a coincidence that it is also communist and therefore dictatorial: North Korea.

I know this is a cliche and decadent, but nonetheless it is accurate: if you like Cuba so much, you know how to contact a travel agency. Just make sure you get a one way ticket.

-Ramon from Venezuela
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Africa Is More Of A Basket Case Than Cuba
by Stating May 4, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
Cuba may survive on SOME handouts, but for success at being a sheer basket case, a money pit of foreign aid, it is Africa. Is Mugabe a Communist? Nope. How many computers do you think the population there can afford to buy at 100,000% a year annual inflation? Rawanda? It must be hard typing on a computer keyboard after your limbs were chopped off by rebels.
Oddly
by The_Decider May 4, 2008 5:28 PM PDT
It has an outstanding medical system, but yet in other ways it is woefully behind in technology.
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Some will be able to afford the PCs
by RamonFHerrera May 3, 2008 10:04 PM PDT
> I also don't think there will be a rush to get a computer down there.
> 1000$ USD might as well be a million dollars.

There is a lot of corruption and some money in Cuba.

It is not only the central government which lives off charity from other "generous countries" (such the as the Chavez regime). Many of its citizens also receive charity money (US dollars) from their relatives in successful countries.

-Ramon
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More than a dozen prospective buyers
by johnericanderson May 4, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
"More than a dozen prospective buyers..."
Wow. That's a lot.
Better restock the shelves.
I detect a revolution.
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Might be
by Phillep_H May 5, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
Eric Hoffer said that oppression did not cause rebellion, hope did. Raul's hands drip with blood, I hope they will wait until the Castro Bro's get buried or it's going to be down right nasty.
.....
by linadragon May 4, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
Alot of Communistic countries block access to computers , the internet and the like due to their citizens learning more about the outside world and revolting due to them being able to educate themselves properly. There is no reason for communism to exist in this day and age.

Cuba bad as it is at times is one of the few places that made Communism work to a degree (they didnt do it well but they made it survive longer then Russia and other countries due to them being more Facist then communist...)
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They arent buying Apple products...
by AppleSuxLeo May 4, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
Apple`s worldwide market-share is PUNY , YES PUNY ! Manly-men use Windows or Linux. Apple is for the namby-pamby types.
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manly-men...
by chemicalade May 5, 2008 3:20 AM PDT
I use all three... I'm obviously confused about my identity...
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IF they were buying apple computers...
by McPlot May 5, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
If they did buy an Apple computer, the overpriced hardware they have now, would double in price again.

Apple's business plan. Convince people how cool you are, then charge them 3x what the hardware is worth!
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Aww
by Gromit801 May 5, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
I'll bet all you poor PC weenies were bottle fed too long.....was your
formula mixed in Redmond?
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If the story had been Macs
by Kev Orng May 6, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
Imagine if this article had said that the computers they are selling in Cuba were all Macs.

Based on some of your other contributions to this site, I know exactly what you would have written.

It's so predictable, I don't even have to take the trouble to type it out.

You probably would have made some childish reference to the "iMuck" or something.

You can use that if you like. iMuck, that is. The more you use childish names for consumer electronics (of all things!) and their users, the faster smart people can skip over your comment. And you know how Mac users value efficiency.
Microsoft finally found someone
by AppleRocks1963 May 5, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
to buy Vista, I guess. A country still living in the 1950's that doesn't know any better.
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oh the wonder
by sanenazok May 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
of anonymous posts. Geez did you even read the story before writing some Vista SUX crap. The machines on sale can only XP, if that.
Africa is not inherently a basket case, like Cuba a N. Korea
by RamonFHerrera May 5, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
> Cuba may survive on SOME handouts, but for success at being a sheer basket case,
> a money pit of foreign aid, it is Africa.

At least the quality of being a basket case is not inherent in Africa. They can always take steps to become more modern countries, with better economies.

In the case of communist regimes, they are necessarily basket cases.

China became successful as soon as it adopted steps towards capitalism.

-RFH
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Should work with US first
by sanenazok May 6, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
This is a extremely wasteful. The reason why people in Cuba can only buy overpriced and bad second-hand PC's is because of the embargo. Rather than trying to get consumer goods to the Cubans, their government should work to lift the embargo by doing something radical like releasing some political prisoners.
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